tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post113193302712888276..comments2023-12-05T19:10:42.635-05:00Comments on Lutherans and Procreation: My introductionErich Heidenreich, DDShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12819223688598369327noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post-1132339731921524042005-11-18T13:48:00.000-05:002005-11-18T13:48:00.000-05:00This is great that Lutherans are discussing NFP an...This is great that Lutherans are discussing NFP and FAM, which we practice! It shouldn't be just a Catholic issue anymore. We attend an ELCA and there are still confessional Lutherans in the church, but this topic is almost taboo these days. People who love the "freedom" the Pill offers are scared to give it up. Whereas in reality they could have so much more!Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18122162947646462967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post-1132110130322168852005-11-15T22:02:00.000-05:002005-11-15T22:02:00.000-05:00New blogger eh? That makes two of us.New blogger eh? That makes two of us.Pr. David Rufnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472530023001908357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post-1132080281808290062005-11-15T13:44:00.000-05:002005-11-15T13:44:00.000-05:00Tina,I know it is feasable to do a blog for each q...Tina,<BR/><BR/>I know it is feasable to do a blog for each question/point, but I am afraid that it would be too much for me to manage. My head would be swimming. <BR/><BR/>So, I'm pulling for keeping it all on the same blog. I realize that it has ramifications then on people trying to follow the discussion. The best I think I can offer is be quite clear where we are at based on post headings.<BR/><BR/>DavidPr. David Rufnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472530023001908357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post-1132073995499492702005-11-15T11:59:00.000-05:002005-11-15T11:59:00.000-05:00I'm interested in learning more about all of this,...I'm interested in learning more about all of this, especially your third point, Pr. Rufner. Thanks for the post, Devona!Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07989306796738858267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post-1131940822180842662005-11-13T23:00:00.000-05:002005-11-13T23:00:00.000-05:00I'm glad that my post was helpful. And I'm exceedi...I'm glad that my post was helpful. And I'm exceedingly glad that you practice the Creighton Model. It might help, if we're using any specific terminology that we'll be using the same terms. And having a link might help any unfamiliar readers to follow along. <BR/><BR/>I am up to the challenge of what you'd like to accomplish here. And I'm excited to see what my answers turn out to be. My journey thus far has only been for the past 2 years, like I already mentioned, so I don't know what my answer would be to a few of your questions. Some of them I'm already churning out the post in my head. :)<BR/><BR/>I think that this is, if nothing else, going to help me and possibly a few fence-walkers feel more assured that there is something better than what society (and unfortunately the Church) is telling us about the marriage bed.Devonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17768505492952325016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18631784.post-1131938303483872942005-11-13T22:18:00.000-05:002005-11-13T22:18:00.000-05:00Devona,Thanks so much for your post. It was really...Devona,<BR/><BR/>Thanks so much for your post. It was really excellent in how you showed that while the path for many of us was initially a departure from the pill culture, in the end it became so much more.<BR/>Megan and are also blessed to not only use NFP, but like you and Rob we use the Creighton Model.<BR/>As we move ahead into the days and months to come this may prove as one model for how we can frame future discussion: <BR/><BR/>1. State clearly what our concern over The Pill is and show how Confessional Lutheranism would lead us in the midst of that concern. (This part of the conversation has certainly begun.)<BR/><BR/>2. As you did, demonstrate somewhat anecdotally where the journey away from The Pill has led some couples.<BR/><BR/>3. Make a two-part (or more) case for NFP:<BR/> a. What distinguishes it from other contraceptives (this will then in part disarm the objection in b.)<BR/> b. Put forth a case on how to respond to those level the objection that NFP is no different than contracepting because the married couple is still exercising their will over God' (There are certainly different variations on this objection, and sometimes it is in question form).<BR/><BR/>Also, at some point I would like to see us take up two other discussions, parts of which I am sure will make it into any present discussion.<BR/><BR/>1. What does the church historic teach on the matter? And why in a century when we have bemoaned many other departures from the teachings of the church historic (the doctrine of scripture, and teachings of the Bible that marriage is between one man and one woman to name just two)have we been so quiet, unreflective, and unalarmed concerning our departure here from the church's stance on contraception?<BR/>2. What is the proper role of Natural Law in theology, the life of a Christian, and this conversation that we are presently having?<BR/><BR/>Again thanks for your helpful post.<BR/><BR/>In Our Lord,<BR/>DavidPr. David Rufnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12472530023001908357noreply@blogger.com